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Is Linux Taking Hold... Yet?
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Posted about 1 year ago For years all the pundits predicted Linux would take deep root in everyday business IT but lately I haven't heard the mantra as loud. What is happening with open source in your tech organization> |
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| Posted about 1 year ago InformationWeek's Alexandar Wolf wrote a great article on why Linux is still lagging: 7 Reasons Why Linux Won't Succeed On The Desktop The open-source operating system is destined to stay stuck in the shadow of Windows, blogger Alex Wolfe opines. Read why he believes desktop Linux hasn't--and isn't--going to have any significant impact, then join the debate by posting your opinion in the discussion section at the article's end.
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| Posted about 1 year ago I've converted my laptop to linux a total of 9 times so far. Redhat, Debian, Gentoo, Ubuntu, and I'm finally back to windows again. Why? Simple. The applications aren't built to work together. Try getting streaming video/audio over SMB (Windows File Shares), or even handling drag and drop operations in a uniform fashion. You'll get frustrated, like I did, and wonder when they're going to adopt some kind of uniformity. On top of that, you've got different backends (GTK, GTK2, QT, etc), each one with it's own set of rules, it's own theming scheme, and no clear path to synchronize your on screen text to 8 point. Controlling configuration is also non-intuitive. So much of the configuration for the UI is hidden, and only accessible on a command line. I've made it work, but I can't imagine it being a fun experience for a new user. A half dozen well thought out configuration tools would do wonders for making system management something joe ordinary can tackle. Don't get me wrong though, Linux is on the right track. Ubuntu 7.04 has reached the point that it can be installed by a new user with very little confusion, and in a great number of cases, the users can be up and running completely within a few hours. There's still a ways to go though, before it's ready for most users to switch to full time. Me? I'm still waiting. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Don't get me started on the "uniformity" thing. Diversity is one of the strengths of the Linux distros, and I love that. The whole point behind the diversity is that it makes the OS customizable to almost any need. True, this is no task for newbies or the faint of heart. But that's what Windows is for! LOL
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| Posted about 1 year ago so guys.. why do u think then it's not taking hold in more enterprises.. i mean if the tech there can manage it.. what's holding it back.. application issues... stability?... ignorance by the upper business levels? |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Great article over in InformationWeek today on the bugs of Linux... http://www.informationweek.com/software/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=GWE3PEDLZ10XIQSNDLOSKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=202600515 Maybe one reason Linux isn't taking hold is due to bugs.. Andrew Morton says its time to start fixing them.. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago About a year ago I attempted converting some users over to a Linux based desktop. Specifically trying Novell SLED 10 and Xandros. I found Xandros to be a better implementation for converting Windows users over comfortably, but alas, poor planning and a couple of CAD packages kept this from becoming a total conversion reality. We had the desktops working flawlessly with Active Directory but as I said poor planning help in the demise of the challenge. This certainly will not work for every business, but it should seriously be considered by most businesses. Right now, we still maintain a nice balance of Windows, Linux, and Unix on the network all playing nice with each other. Also, if you are concerned with integration with AD then look into Centeris which can extend AD management into Linux/Unix and Mac. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago At our company we have Unix, Linux and Windows servers. On the desktop we have Windows XP, mainly because of some of the Apps we use. I would love to find Linux equivalents to these programs, but they're just not out there. Linux installability has improved so much over the past 7 years. I currently use Fedora and am very happy with it. But after fighting with computers for 8+ hours a day at work, I just don't want to come home and fight with them. Sometimes we just want to use our computers! I don't want to have to take months to get a program working. I just want to install it and have it work!!! (MythTV, Freevo, etc.) Something I've always said is that the best thing about Linux is it very configurable. And the hardest thing about Linux is... it's very configurable! |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Ubuntu is actually really easy to use on the desktop. I think it's a fud thing basically, though it might be a pain to support in the large with ordinary business users -- don't know, haven't tried it.. For servers, something more established with commercial 3rd party software and hw capatibility is nice -- redhat, centos, suse, etc. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago A year ago I tried my first Linux. At that time Kubuntu 6.10, for I am very in favor of the KDE Desktop. Learning to get I around with it I have hardly come back to Windows XP. The only thing I use Windows for these days is printing, since unfortunately my printer is not supported. But the ease to use Linux in everyday work has made me consider: What can Windows do that Linux can't? The answer to that is nothing. In some areas Linux is even better than Windows. After trying Fedora, Debian, Gentoo, Slackware and most of the mainstream distros I found my way back to the Debian-based systems and am using noe Kubuntu 7.10 on my Desktop and eLive 1.0 on my Laptop, for it is a very light-weight distro. In the company that I am currently at the base system is made of SLES 10 which just got Windows client and it works perfectly. Probably better than using Windows Servers with Linux clients. |
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| Posted about 1 year ago I love Linux. Yes, it is not for the impatient or faint at heart but it is very stable and reliable. Yes there is a lack of comparable software to some of the Windows based software. The biggest reason I have seen for companies not implementing Linux is the reason our company will not consider using it. The company I work for is afraid of a huge learning curve with the users here. I disagree with their reasoning, but hey, they sign my check... |
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| Posted about 1 year ago I think that for the AVERAGE user there really isn't that much of a learning curve. Web, e-mail, word processing and spreadsheets work pretty much the same on both. My Mom was 74 and was using Fedora for Web and e-mail access, with some word processing thrown in (and my Mom knew NOTHING about computers). I think the main differences for regular users comes in the differences in the various programs. Also, it looks and feels a bit different. Unless they are configuring the system, though, the basic usage is pretty much the same. It's mainly when you get to the more advanced stuff that the learning curve steepens. Since we do a lot of legal stuff we use a lot of niche programs that just don't have a Linux equivalent. Most of the programs we use are databases, so we could probably build the stuff in-house, but we would need to find a programmer (who will work for almost nothing - not going to happen). |
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| Posted about 1 year ago Nice article on why Linux will succeed on the desktop: http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml;jsessionid=HXPN15UOW1LLKQSNDLRCKH0CJUNN2JVN?articleID=202600158 |
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| Posted about 1 year ago I've had a couple of weeks to think further about this thread. It should be obvious from my first post that I'm a Linux supporter - I have been since Caldera 1.3 - but I'm also the first to admit that I've had my tribulations with it. Hardware compatibility was a HUGE issue with almost every distro, and its an issue that only recently had receded to a point where the majority of user's systems don't have to worrry about it any more. That's in large part because manufacturers have finally gotten the hint and are writing Linux-based drivers for their products.
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| Posted 11 months ago The computers we use at the factory are all windows - a few are still running NT. Some are running 2000, some are running XP. At home I use Windows some, but I've been using Simply MEPIS for over a year... I love it! It's easier to work with than some of the other distros I've tried, and they have a great forum that will help out if you run into a wall. I've been thinking about checking out some of the virtualisation software, and running my windows programs in Linux, but my plate is a bit full as it is right now.... |
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| Posted 11 months ago I run Fedora (and Windows XP-dual boot) at home. I have used red Hat since v5 and like it. I've gotten used to the Gnome desktop and just don't like the feel of KDE. but that's MY thing. Anyway, for some of the stuff I do Linux just doesn't work. I would like to get MythTV working, but talk about a pain in the posterior!!! Also, there is no software to link my Blackberry Pearl to Evolution. I know with time I could probably get some of this stuff working, but I really don't feel like fighting with it. As it is my computer is lucky to get turned on once a week, if that! I need a LONG break!!! |
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| Posted 11 months ago I"ve used every Windows there is and a few years ago started trying out different flavors of Linux - Turbo, Red Hat, Suse, Fedora, DSL, Puppy, Dyne:Bolic, and currently testing (using right now) Mandriva. My favorites so far are Suse, DSL, and i'm so far very pleased with Mandriva. I think the reason you probably don't see more of a turnover is like someone posted, the learning curve. I've noticed this with alot of my Windows clients as well. They don't like when something new in windows comes out (ie..IE7, Vista, etc). Its like everything got changed around and they don't want to learn anything new (leave it the way it was I keep hearing). I like linux, I think it has come a long way for the new/average user and is great for desktop use. As for business use, I think some businesses are worried about the costs they'll incur if something goes wrong or how much it would cost them to hire and actual Linux admin, and the software some require are only available on the Windows platform. Oh well i've rambled enough. |
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| Posted 9 months ago Wow, I haven't seen someone mention Dyne:Bolic on a while. I have to admit d:b has some nice features for a live cd, such as their docking and nesting feature. I haven't really played with it since the 1.4.1 days, as my interest in it lessened when they removed OpenMosix clustering from the distro. Lately, I've been gearing up towards blowing out my main DAW (Win2K) and dual-booting between XP and JackLab (openSUSE based DAW distribution). I agree the main worry in the corporate world is support. They don't want you to mess around on forums for a day trying to get a solution that might work, especially if it's mission critical. They want you to pick up the phone and have it fixed in 10 minutes. I don't feel costs are as much a worry, as if it is deemed a necessity, they will pay for the Linux admin and support. When you add that to the TCO of an open source/Linux environment, it balances out. As for the average user, Linux can make a great desktop, but it's not for the computer illiterate. As long as it works out of the box, and the applications are there and comparable enough to a Windows-based equivalent, the average user is fine with Linux. The second he tries to install his new all-in-one printer, hits the first page requiring Java or Flash that wasn't initially installed, and is told to drop down to command line, the average user is lost. When he/she manages to crash the x-server while trying to upgrade to the latest Nvidia or Ati driver, the next step they will take is to insert the nearest Windows CD. |


