Group Forums >> Politicly correct and other silly notions >> Who's country is this anyway?

+6

Who's country is this anyway?

369 Views
30 Replies Flag as inappropriate
Dsc00384_max50

301 posts

back to top

Posted 4 months ago

 

Newspapers simply won't publish letters to the editor which they either deem politically incorrect (read below) or which don't agree with the philosophy they're "pushing" on the public. This woman wrote a great letter to the editor that should have been published but with your help it will get "published" via cyberspace!



Subject: New immigrants

From: "David LaBonte"


My wife, Rosemary, wrote a wonderful letter to the editor of the OC Register which, of course, was not printed. So, I decided to "print" it myself by sending it out on the Internet. Pass it along if you feel so inclined.


Dave LaBonte (signed)



Written in response to a series of letters to the editor in the Orange County Register:



Dear Editor:

So many letter writers have based their arguments on how this land is made up of immigrants. Ernie Lujan for one, suggests we should tear down the Statue of Liberty because the people now in question aren't being treated the same as those who passed through Ellis Island and other ports of entry.

Maybe we should turn to our history books and point out to people like Mr. Lujan why today's American is not willing to accept this new kind of immigrant any longer. Back in 1900 when there was a rush from all areas of Europe to come to the United States, people had to get off a ship and stand in a long line in New York and be documented. Some would even get down on their hands and knees and kiss the ground. They made a pledge to uphold the laws and support their new country in good and bad times. They made learning English a primary rule in their new American households and some even changed their names to blend in with their new home.

They had waved good bye to their birth place to give their children a new life and did everything in their power to help their children assimilate into one culture.

Nothing was handed to them. No free lunches, no welfare, no labor laws to protect them. All they had were the skills and craftsmanship they had brought with them to trade for a future of prosperity. Most of their children came of age when World War II broke out. My father fought along side men whose parents had come straight over from Germany, Italy, France and Japan. None of these 1st generation Americans ever gave any thought about what country their parents had come from. They were Americans fighting Hitler, Mussolini and the Emperor of Japan. They were defending the United States of America as one people. When we liberated France, no one in those villages were looking for the French-American or the German American or the Irish American. The people of France saw only Americans. And we carried one flag that represented one country. Not one of those immigrant sons would have thought about picking up another country's flag and waving it to represent who they were. It would have been a disgrace to their parents who had sacrificed so much to be here. These immigrants truly knew what it meant to be an American. They stirred the melting pot into one red, white and blue bowl.

And here we are in 2006 with a new kind of immigrant who wants the same rights and privileges. Only they want to achieve it by playing with a different set of rules, one that includes the entitlement card and a guarantee of being faithful to their mother country. I'm sorry, that's not what being an American is all about. I believe that the immigrants who landed on Ellis Island in the early 1900's deserve better than that for all the toil, hard work and sacrifice in raising future generations to create a land that has become a beacon for those legally searching for a better life. I think they would be appalled that they are being used as an example by those waving foreign country flags.

And for that suggestion about taking down the Statue of Liberty, it happens to mean a lot to the citizens who are voting on the immigration bill. I wouldn't start talking about dismantling the United States just yet.

(signed) Rosemary LaBonte


 


Photo_user_banned_big

109 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted 4 months ago

 

She is right, send the statue of liberty back to France...


 



 



 



 



 


Capav_max50

138 posts

back to top
+2

Rated: +2 | Posted 3 months ago

 

Great letter. America will not defeated by a conquering army, it will be defeated from the inside out.   Our greatest threat may already be inside our borders. 


Scott
Network Analyst III
MCSE, CCNA
"A mind troubled by doubt cannot focus on the course to victory."
- Arthur Golden

Buddasunmountain_sq90_max50

6 posts

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted 3 months ago

 

New life which just simple means new culture, new rule, new citizen, etc...forget the past.  Great letter.

Self_1_010_max50

37 posts

back to top
+2

Rated: +2 | Posted 3 months ago

 

 





From an e-mail that was floating around awhile ago.



I HAVE DECIDED TO BECOME A WRITE-IN CANDIDATE. HERE IS MY PLATFORM:

  

(1) Press 1 for English is immediately banned. English is

the official language; speak it or wait at the border until

you can.

  

(2) We will immediately go into a two year isolationist

posture to straighten out the country's attitude. NO

imports, no exports. We will use the 'Walmart' policy, 'If we

ain't got it, you don't need it.'

  

(3) When imports are allowed, there will be a 100% import

tax on it.

  

(4) All retired military personnel will be required to man

one of our many observation towers on the southern border.

(six month tour) They will be under strict orders not to

fire on SOUTHBOUND aliens.

  

(5) Social security will immediately return to its original

state. If you didn't put nuttin in, you ain't gettin

nuttin out. The president nor any other politician will not

be able to touch it.

  

(6) Welfare - Checks will be handed out on Fridays at the

end of the 40 hour school week and the successful completion

of urinalysis and a passing grade.

  

(7) Professional Athletes --Steroids - The FIRST time you

check positive you're banned for life.

  

(8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first

time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no more

life sentences. If convicted, you will be put to death by

the same method you chose for your victim; gun, knife,

strangulation, etc.

  

(9) One export will be allowed; Wheat, The world needs to

eat. A bushel of wheat will be the exact price of a barrel

of oil.

  

(10) All foreign aid using American taxpayer money will

immediately cease, and the saved money will pay off the

national debt and ultimately lower taxes. When disasters

occur around the world, we'll ask the American people if

they want to donate to a disaster fund, and each citizen can

make the decision whether it's a worthy cause.

  

(11) The Pledge of Allegiance will be said every day at

school and every day in Congress.

  

(12) The National Anthem will be played at all appropriate

ceremonies, sporting events, outings, etc.

  

Sorry if I stepped on anyone's toes but a vote for me

will get you better than what you have, and better than what

you're gonna get. Thanks for listening, and remember to

write in my name on the ballot in November. God Bless

America !!!!!!!!!!!                         

Bill Cosby



 

Dsc00384_max50

301 posts

back to top
+3

Rated: +3 | Posted 3 months ago

 

Check this out:

(posted for nmclaren)

Nm_max50

409 posts

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted 3 months ago

 

Thanks Mike!! That video provokes thinking.

Photo_user_blank_big

4 posts

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted 2 months ago

 

I realy like the video. I dont believe in god or have any other religion, but we founded this country on religious freedom and toleration not enforcement of religion. Just remember, every religion started out as a form of cult. If something in our country offends you religiously you have the right to speak out, but not the right to force change. The law is the law, on a licence you need a photo ID, this means your full face...don't like it then return to the country you came from and say goodby to the freedoms that we allow.


We should go back to a 1900's way of thinking. If you don't like our language...GET OUT. If you don't like our laws...GET OUT. Just look at Australia, the guy in charge said if you don't like the way we do things here...GET OUT.


I know that we will not get the unity through the next president, but we need someone in there who will unite us back under the one flag. I am french/english. That means nothing to me. Born American, die American.

Me_upload1_max50

58 posts

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted 2 months ago

 

Lost me the minute he started talking about "God"... who's god? Who's definition of religious faith are we going to allow to influence "public life"? The theocrats and conservative bigots who've turned the GOP into the Rethuglican party? The neo-racists attempting through Obama to take over the Democratic party? No thank you. Worship who you will AT HOME - but keep your religious icons and ideals OUT of my government, OFF my public lands, and AWAY from my family. Freedom of religion is a guarantee that the State shall establish no national religion - it is NOT a guarantee that you can ram your racist, bigoted, mysogenistic, homophobic, unscientific dogma down my throat.

Dsc00384_max50

301 posts

back to top
+2

Rated: +2 | Posted 2 months ago

 

slburkey says ...



Lost me the minute he started talking about "God"... who's god? Who's definition of religious faith are we going to allow to influence "public life"? The theocrats and conservative bigots who've turned the GOP into the Rethuglican party? The neo-racists attempting through Obama to take over the Democratic party? No thank you. Worship who you will AT HOME - but keep your religious icons and ideals OUT of my government, OFF my public lands, and AWAY from my family. Freedom of religion is a guarantee that the State shall establish no national religion - it is NOT a guarantee that you can ram your racist, bigoted, mysogenistic, homophobic, unscientific dogma down my throat.



I believe the point he was trying to make was that followers of minority religions in this country are trying to tell others that they can't follow their own faith by making religion a political / politicly correct issue. Circumventing laws in the name of religion is just wrong. If a woman won't take a driver's license photo without her veil, she shouldn't be allowed the license in the first place.


A person's personal faith or lack of it is their own. One can not enforce faith on someone else, yet that is exactly what these people are attempting to do. Essentially they are saying "My faith supercedes your laws!" If they truly feel that way, they should be deported to where they came from rather than permitted to undermine our society.


The constitution was specificly worded to prevent the church, ANY CHURCH,  from becomming the governing body of this country.


I'll grant you we have problems of our own in that respect in this country, as you have so clearly pointed out in other posts elsewhere Scott, but nowhere near the problems that this new influence will create.


 


 

Nm_max50

409 posts

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted 2 months ago

 

Phreadd says ...



I believe the point he was trying to make was that followers of minority religions in this country are trying to tell others that they can't follow their own faith by making religion a political / politicly correct issue. Circumventing laws in the name of religion is just wrong. If a woman won't take a driver's license photo without her veil, she shouldn't be allowed the license in the first place.


A person's personal faith or lack of it is their own. One can not enforce faith on someone else, yet that is exactly what these people are attempting to do. Essentially they are saying "My faith supercedes your laws!" If they truly feel that way, they should be deported to where they came from rather than permitted to undermine our society.


The constitution was specificly worded to prevent the church, ANY CHURCH,  from becomming the governing body of this country.


I'll grant you we have problems of our own in that respect in this country, as you have so clearly pointed out in other posts elsewhere Scott, but nowhere near the problems that this new influence will create.


 


 



DITTO!!!!

Photo_user_banned_big

109 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted 2 months ago

 

The unique way of thinking, this sounds like socialist Europe.... Sure from one side of ocean to the other, things can be "reversed", but that's the same at the end.


Agree or not disagree. Only unexperienced soul would not see what is going on.

Photo_user_blank_big

1 post

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted 2 months ago

 

You people have to much free time in USA! You really have time to be ofended by other beliefs, bla bla bla  But I understand! Well, a picture on the driver licence tells what?!?!? I say you should use retina scan :)))))))) or ADN test !!!! JUST to be SURE! :))) 


Is it true they ( well ... "not understood belivers" ) receive the driver licence with a non-visible face?!?!?! really? who allowed this?  Here in Europe (!) they are not! If you want an oficial document you have to expose your face!!!! 


Sorry for mixing up in your problems.


And yes, it is normal that all the people living there  to speak american english , or at least to learn it in the first year !

Dsc00384_max50

301 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted 2 months ago

 

Ally_S,


We are quite pleased to have you "mixing up in our problems" here in this forum.


These threads are open to all and we welcome diverse opinions.


4

121 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted 2 months ago

 

J2ten-----"(8) Crime - We will adopt the Turkish method, the first



time you steal, you lose your right hand. There is no more



life sentences. If convicted, you will be put to death by



the same method you chose for your victim; gun, knife,



strangulation, etc."


Although this would help contriol the population, and I do realize the letter is a spoof. There have been a lot of people falsly convicted of crimes they did not commite, and DNA has proved that with people who have been in prison for a long period of time. It is sad that when people post stuff like this they believe it and say yeah thats the truth, but or laws work for a reason and I am sure no one here would ever want to be falsly accused of something.


I am not sure if I am supposed to take this seriously or as a joke honestly.


I do not speak for anyyone, group or nation.


 


In nmcclaran post


"Phreadd says ...


I believe the point he was trying to make was that followers of minority religions in this country are trying to tell others that they can't follow their own faith by making religion a political / politicly correct issue. Circumventing laws in the name of religion is just wrong. If a woman won't take a driver's license photo without her veil, she shouldn't be allowed the license in the first place.

A person's personal faith or lack of it is their own. One can not enforce faith on someone else, yet that is exactly what these people are attempting to do. Essentially they are saying "My faith supercedes your laws!" If they truly feel that way, they should be deported to where they came from rather than permitted to undermine our society.




The constitution was specificly worded to prevent the church, ANY CHURCH,  from becomming the governing body of this country.




I'll grant you we have problems of our own in that respect in this country, as you have so clearly pointed out in other posts elsewhere Scott, but nowhere near the problems that this new influence will create.




DITTO!!!!"


But in another post you you forced people with their own curiosity to whatch a video based on faith thereby stateing that "My faith supercedes your laws!"and "The constitution was specificly worded to prevent the church, ANY CHURCH,  from becomming the governing body of this country." and "One can not enforce faith on someone else" so what do you really believe. That it is ok to force your religiouse belifs on others?


I am missing something I am sure, I just want understanding.


 

Dsc00384_max50

301 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted 2 months ago

 

Larkenra,


Who are you addressing your questions to in your last paragraphs?


I posted that last video for nmclaran, since she was having difficulty getting it to work. (They can be a little tricky!) I have NO personal religious beliefs to bludgeon anyone with.


The general point of the video really has little to do with religion. It simply berates the fact that here in the US, we are allowing the new breed of immigrants to force us into adapting to their cultures and ways rather than requiring them to conform to an already well established society.


If I wanted to live in Mexico, I'd learn Spanish and move south. If I wanted to live in Iran, I'd learn Arabic, become a Muslim and move there. The point is, I DON'T want to live anywhere else, and there is no reason in the world why I should have to change my culture to accomodate these people. If they don't like our culture, they should go back to where they came from so they can live the way they want to.


 


 

4

121 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted 2 months ago

 

I was addressing


nmcclaran


Sorry if I did not clarify to much I was in a hurry. And really I should have posted 2 comments in their place.


nmaclaran said "DITTO!!!!" to your post and I do not know if nmaclaran really agreed to all you said or just some of it.


If nmaclaran agrees with this statement "I believe the point he was trying to make was that followers of minority religions in this country are trying to tell others that they can't follow their own faith by making religion a political / politicly correct issue" then nmclaran < it seems to me> is doing exacly what nmaclaran states is wrongbased on your <Phreadd> statements, by doing it to me because I do not believe in the same things. And was this country not founded on freedom of religion? What exactly is a minority religion?


 or in other words I am confused not by what Phread said, But by DITTO!!! and the the obscure post "Please visit http://www.valuevotersusa.com to watch the video." in the do you realy want this person for Vice President. Playing on my curiosity with an agenda and not telling me what to expect.


I agree with you on your post Phread I am just trying to understand nmclaran. :P

Dsc00384_max50

301 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted 2 months ago

 

Just for a bit of clarity, the primary demographic of the United States is predominantly Christian in one form or another, and this country was founded on Christian values. When I refer to a "minority religion", I am generally referring to any and all others. No disrespect to any other faith is intended by this, it is just a statement of fact.


Thank you for your clarification Larkenra. I was a bit confused by your other post.


 

Gabesmll_max50

20 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted 2 months ago

 

I agree with the video whole heartedly!!!!!!!!!!!The writings of the founding fathers had extensive comments on a "supreme creator", or God as  "in Holy Bible/Word/Scripture".I DARE any God fearing American to stand up for their slowly eroding "unalienatable" rights and Help America get back to interpreting the Constitution like it was written not how they FELT is should be and re-establishing the true equality and fear of God that at one time made this country great.It is slowly being endangered by those insane people who want to cut God out of the picture because of what the Bible says about what they do and they show every sign of brain-less pride and pregidous possible.

Me_upload1_max50

58 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted about 1 month ago

 

Phread said...


"A person's personal faith or lack of it is their own. One can not enforce faith on someone else, yet that is exactly what these people are attempting to do. Essentially they are saying "My faith supercedes your laws!" If they truly feel that way, they should be deported to where they came from rather than permitted to undermine our society.




The constitution was specificly worded to prevent the church, ANY CHURCH,  from becomming the governing body of this country."


Indeed it was! And at the time of the Constitution's writing, that specifically meant the Catholic church and the Church of England. Our Founding Fathers and the immigrants who came before them fled from many diffierent inequities and injustices in the Old World, and religious persecution was a chief reason among them.


"... they should be deported to where they came from rather than permitted to undermine our society."


Does this mean we can now get rid of the "fundamentalist" so-called Christians, too? ALRIGHT!!! No more misogenists telling people of color to swallow second-class status! No more paternalistic sexists telling women what to do with their wombs! No more hypocritical bigamists telling homosexuals our lives and loves are worthless, so no governmental body can recognize our commitment to one another! No more ego-centric monotheists telling us polytheists that we have to recite the Pledge of Allegiance, whether or not it offends our beliefs by citing one, and ONLY one god!


Oh, hell yeah! Sounds like a fantastic idea... sign me up!


-Scott

Hard_at_work_max50

8 posts

back to top
+2

Rated: +2 | Posted about 1 month ago

 

Here is my two cents...


My grandfather and grandmother came to the US in the early 40's shortly after my grandmother gave birth to my mother, gramps joined the Army to fight in the Pacific with the 1st Cavalry Division in order to get back at the enemy that attacked his new homeland, and felt his new family threatend. 


My mother moved back to the old country to be close to her grandmother who was elderly and needed help. She entered the school system there and met my father. They dated, married, and gave birth to me, and my sister a few years later.


Dad's company obtained a contract that took us to the US. We came to this country legally and with a love for for this country already in our hearts. The year was 1969, and within a year dad enlisted into the Airforce. He stated that he did this willingly NO draft called him into service for our Country who we owe so much to.


I wish I could say I joined the Marines because I wanted to serve my country, I joined to save my ass from a loser life I was building for myself (the ONLY thing I regret in life). The Marine Corps made me a man, learned me to stand for something bigger then I, and filled my heart with a desire to protect MY Country at all cost. I have no hate for immigrants because I am one, my father, sister, and grandparents as well. Mom was born here, she is the only American born in the family besides our children (sister & I have kids born here)


I HATE the fact that 'illegal immagrants' get a free ride. Some even have the nerve to trash this country, and those few give all of us a bad name. By the way one of the main issues is beef up border patrol which I support fully.


Now about religion, I was raised in faith, and personal experiances lead me to believe in God. It's just my belief / opinion / whatever you want to call it, you have your right to YOUR opinion. I never (intentionally) shoved it down somones throat. It was just the way I was raised. Even in the Corps our famous motto Semper Fi. Shortened from Semper Fidelis (latin for Always Faithful) Always faithful to GOD, COUNTRY, & THE CORPS. Now, I know some of you out there are saying 'you feel this way, because it was force fed to you'


No it was not!!!!  No more then Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, And every heavy metal group I adored was forced fed to me to be some kind of Wiccan. Or all those horror movies I watched turned me into a mass murderer, I don't think so.


Left Wing, Right Wing, Conservative, Liberal, Communist, Socialist, Christians, Jews, Muslims... Extremists of any kind become a danger to themselves and all around. Extremes do not work, they will fail sooner or later.


 

Exterior_par_0101_image_max50

27 posts

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted about 1 month ago

 

Dear native65


first of all I want to thank you for you services to this country, God bless you and your entire family. I have much respect for all the brave souls who stand up for us. I love the saying, "If you don't want to stand behind our troops in battel, please, feel free to stand in front of them."


I am totally for imigrents (spelling?) They just need to do it legally and be willing to pay taxes just like everyone else, learn English and stand up and deffend this country in times of need.


I could go on and on but I just want to say that an American is more than Just someone living in America. It is some one who believes and upholds the values that we hold dear and who does their share to make America a better place for our familys now and for the generations to come. 

Dsc00384_max50

301 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted 26 days ago

 

native65 says ...



Left Wing, Right Wing, Conservative, Liberal, Communist, Socialist, Christians, Jews, Muslims... Extremists of any kind become a danger to themselves and all around. Extremes do not work, they will fail sooner or later.


 



This is a profoundly fundamental truth, and the residents of the world would do well to learn it.

Images3_max50

23 posts

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted 25 days ago

 

This is an interesting thread, and I also must give my 2 cents (or pence as they say in Britain).


 


As the saying goes, “When in Rome…” When someone decides to immigrate to another country, you would assume they would have done their research as per the general culture, which covers religion. If they therefore decide to become immigrants in a country e.g. America, which is predominantly Christian, then the least they can do, is to respect that fact and not expect the laws to be changed, so as to satisfy their own religion. As rightly said by Phreadd:


A person's personal faith or lack of it is their own. One can not enforce faith on someone else, yet that is exactly what these people are attempting to do. Essentially they are saying "My faith supercedes your laws!" If they truly feel that way, they should be deported to where they came from rather than permitted to undermine our society.


 No one expects countries like say, Saudi Arabia, to change their laws to accomodate immigrant religious beliefs, just because one decides to live there.


I hope the US does not end up like Britain where political correctness has gone completely mad, everything Christian (which was also their foundation), has been eroded, just to satisfy and not offend immigrant/minority religions. For example, the nativity play, carols, you name it, have all been re-worked so as not to “offend”. Children are no longer aware of what Christmas is really all about. The country is more than half-way down the road to removing anything akin to Christianity, from society.


 There’s a huge difference between being welcoming/accommodating, and bending over backwards completely up to the extent of loosing an identity, fundamental to the fabric of a society, so as not to “offend”.


 


On religion, I agree with native65:


"Left Wing, Right Wing, Conservative, Liberal, Communist, Socialist, Christians, Jews, Muslims... Extremists of any kind become a danger to themselves and all around. Extremes do not work, they will fail sooner or later."


I was raised in and still am in faith, and the statement above reminds me of a funny extremist story my parents used to tell us kids, when they and some of their friends became new Christians in the early 70’s. At that time, there was this preacher who was a loose cannon extremist and was telling everyone and anyone with a TV to destroy/throw them out, as they were the “Devil’s boxes”.


Of course my parents didn’t, (they were new Christians, not stupid!!!!) but most of their friends did and lived to regret it (up to this day) because they had really expensive boxes…and the said preacher ended up having a "devil’s box" of his own!


And the moral of the story is? We all are born with a free will, some people decide to absorb/believe any doctrine thrown at them, hook line and sinker, becoming a danger to themselves and society at large, while some others (like my parents, thankfully up to this day), decide to be extremely more discerning, in their faith.

Dsc00384_max50

301 posts

back to top
Rate

Rate This | Posted 25 days ago

 

3much says ...



 There’s a huge difference between being welcoming/accommodating, and bending over backwards completely up to the extent of loosing an identity, fundamental to the fabric of a society, so as not to “offend”.


 



Well said!

Picture_1_max50

5 posts

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted 20 days ago

 

I come from a family background similar to native65 - both sides of my family have immigrated here only within the past two-three generations. My maternal grandfather enlisted in the Army during WWII and was such a recent immigrant from Italy that the Army couldn't let him fight there, as the Italians were claiming that any captured enemy soldier from Italy was committing treason and would be executed. In fact, they even changed his named from Angelo Santacroce to Charles Sandy to anglicize him further (and I would suspect help save him if he ever got taken prisoner). My paternal grandmother didn't speak English till she was 15 after her parents renounced their Croatian citizenship in 1933 when Hitler came to power.


I never heard a single word of complaint from either of those families about assimilating into American life and culture, and both sides of my families made great sacrifices during WWII and after. My paternal grandmother ended up losing most of her family overseas after their hometown was obliterated by the Russians, and Granddad never would talk about the war.


It really bothers me to see immigrants (and I know it isn't all, I've hired some recent legal ones) screaming about fairness and "intolerance" because we won't accomadate them to the point where it's just like it was back home for them. Guess what? They purposely left back home to come here, and the burden is mainly on them to acclimate to us. If it doesn't sound fair, it's because it's not.


I've spent significant amounts of time in other countries, and at one point I lived in the French West Indies. Never would I expect the people where I lived to learn English or do anything at all outside of their cultural norms and values specifically to make it just like America. This didn't mean they weren't kind or helpful - not at all! But it was made clear that I was expected to fit in with them to the best of my ability, including learning the language, customs and mores.


So why is it that some of the immigrants who come here feel as though they have no obligation to do the same?

Images3_max50

23 posts

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted 18 days ago

 

As asked by fearsomeanna - "So why is it that some of the immigrants who come here feel as though they have no obligation to do the same?"



That is the million dollar question I guess we’ll never know the exact answer to. My take on this is that the initial euphoria of being grateful and thankful of successfully arriving safely, settling down and doing well in a new country, soon quickly wears off. 


People become more demanding, feel no obligation whatsoever, conveniently forgetting that when it comes down to the crunch, they are still being “hosted” and do not “own” the community. This attitude, sadly applies to all areas of our lives as humans; we tend to become more demanding when we’re in a “good place”, so to speak and forget how to take stock and be thankful for getting to “that place”, in the first place.

 

4

121 posts

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted 17 days ago

 

3much says ...



As asked by fearsomeanna - "So why is it that some of the immigrants who come here feel as though they have no obligation to do the same?"



That is the million dollar question I guess we’ll never know the exact answer to. My take on this is that the initial euphoria of being grateful and thankful of successfully arriving safely, settling down and doing well in a new country, soon quickly wears off. 


People become more demanding, feel no obligation whatsoever, conveniently forgetting that when it comes down to the crunch, they are still being “hosted” and do not “own” the community. This attitude, sadly applies to all areas of our lives as humans; we tend to become more demanding when we’re in a “good place”, so to speak and forget how to take stock and be thankful for getting to “that place”, in the first place.

 



These are not just immigrants, I feel that this is the mentality of millions of youths <and adults> within the US. Unlike me who feels that I owe my country a living and would rather work with it, many try to use it, to take advantage of it and are more than willing to give nothing in return. <prior or even after the fact>


Do we owe the world a living or does the world owe us a living?


True it is only my thinking that countries or governments rely on growth of population by all means. But that arrogance produces people with the logic that there is nothing to have to work for, They can just spit some kids out sit on their A$$ and collect a check. or the banks and car makers, even if they do wrong and F their employees over, they can still collect billions and live like kings while the the people who put their blood sweat and tears gets uncertainty and fear.


And if you think that unemployment is paid for by the government your wrong, it is paid for by the employer and in essence by the employee. it is a law that it must be paid by employers and is put into an escrow account which state governments profit from. Sorry I just saw some arrogant jerk who said on television that the government gives unemployment so that is like a bailout "BS".

P9230057_max50

57 posts

back to top
+1

Rated: +1 | Posted 11 days ago

 

Just as fearsomeanna, my relatives from just a couple generations removed came from different parts of Europe and while they may have kept some of their traditions and language, they did not hesitate to fully embrace the US/American culture and learn English as well. Here is some interesting information. Personally, I believe that only one language should be recognized as the national language for a number of reasons that I will not post, but Roosevelt touches on a couple of them.


 


Theodore Roosevelt on Immigrants and being an AMERICAN


"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but